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General Bodybuilding Discussion => Steroidi => Temu započeo: Vladar Decembar 26, 2008, 02:34:36 pre podne
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Ovo je originalni text koji je Tom Prince postavio licno na americkom BB forumu u ovih par dana, u produzetku su jos neki njegovi komentari u toj temi, ako vam bude zanimljivo, a on bude i dalje pisao, nastavicu da prenosim...
Tom Prince:
It's been over 6 years since I last stepped on stage. I remember promising a ton of peeps that one day I would post this. So, here it is, folks. My 2001 Night of Champions Cycle. Just for fun.. Tom
Week #1: 4 iu's GH/day; 4 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day
Week #2: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day
Week #3: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #4: 4 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #5: 6iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #6: 6 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab
Week #7: off; 5000 iu HCG/day; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)
Week #8: off; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)
Week #9: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #10: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #11: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #12: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #13: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 5 x 25 mg. Ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #14: 6 iu's GH/day; 1500 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
Week #15: off 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
**Week #16: off; 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 10 x Clenbuterol tab (Sun, Mon, Tue only), 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)
**Day of contest was at the end of 16th Week.
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Answering a few questions:
1. Caffeine was used for a few things. First, as a thermogenic.. ephedrine/caffeine keep your body temperature raised so that you keep burning fat. Second, used in conjunction with the GH, to stimulate your metabolism. LOTS (and I mean waaayyy too many) of people think you need to actually use thyroid, or some form of T3, to stimulate your thyroid to keep the GH working effectively. (If you don't this when reading.. GH can, if you're not careful, cause your thyroid to shut down if it's not stimulated when using the GH).
2. I always wrote my own cycles.
3. "Upping the test going into the show". The longer you diet, and the leaner you get, the higher the doses should go, in my opinion. The closer the show gets, and the leaner you get, the more at risk you are of losing muscle. It's just common sense.
BY THE WAY.. please notice. Nothing crazy or fantastic in that cycle. Just common sense. No weird compounds. GH, Cypionate, Deca, Winstol. That's it really.
I'M TELLING YA'.. it's hard work, lots of years, and genetics.
I'll answer any questions people may have.
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Insulin: NEVER. I tired insulin the Wednesday before Friday night's prejudging the year I won Nationals. I filled up too fast, and spilled over too fast, and it was basically just a mess. I didn't get any fuller than normal.. so, why bother.
Insulin in the off-season never made sense, either. You can eat as much as you want. My body produces enough insulin on it's own.
NOW.. if I was helping a guy in a weight class, who had to make weight one night, and compete the next night.. and he had to kill himself and get super flat to make the weight.. I may have used insulin to carb someone up who didn't have time for his body to do it on it's own.
HERE'S A SIMPLE GUIDELINE TO FOLLOW: LESS compounds to account for, means you have MORE control. Think of the gear, diet, training, like balls you're juggling in the air. It's much easier to juggle 3 balls, than 10 balls.
The more variables you keep adding, the harder it is to predict the outcome.
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Bravo Vlad,ako je ovo iskreno sve izreceno onda mi je malo vratio poverenje u sto kaze "common sense" svetskih BB...
nije presao 2 grama hemije nigde,6IU GH maksimum,bez insa...zanimljivo,svidja mi se ovo sto je rekao sto manje komponenti laksa je kontrola
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Kao sto rece Filip,ukoliko je iskreno obrazlozio svoj ciklus,ovo je onda u svakom pogledu daleko od onoga sto su mnogi mislili da je on koristio.
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Ne razumem 6 sustanona ili deca dur??? jer to dnevno ili nedeljno?? ostalo mi je jasno!!!!
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6 x 250 mg nedjeljno. Dece samo onih 200-400-600 nedjelno koliko pise.
Makar tako tvrdi covjek.
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kako da ne,bolje da je rekao da je natural,bar bi svi videli da se sprda...ovako... ::) ::)
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Ok. Sad mi je jasno. Posto znam BB-ere Licno sam video kako u toku kure i po 10amp Tst P dnevno sljakaju!!!!!
Za Tom sam puno citao i sve. Verujem da je uzimao (mozda malo vise ??) Znam da su mu Bubrezi totalno otkazali i da sad ide vise puta nedeljno na dijalizu!! Uz AAS i sve ostalo uzimao je i puno jake medikamente protiv bolove(povrede itd...) Od toga je najvise Bubrege i sjebao!!!
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drago mi je da je Tom Pirce malo bolje sa zdravljem i vidim da je pocheo da se sprda po forumima :)
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Dobrih sala nikad dosta...
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mogao je da doda i jedu tabletu provirona dnevno,to bi mu dobro doslo za cvrstinu misica jer je androgeno,ako ga ko poznaje licno nek mu prenese ovo sto sam mu rekao...
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sad cu ja sms da mu pustim :D
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OK, posto nemamo mogucnosti da ustanovimo da li Tom govori istinu ili ne, recite mi sta vam se konkretno ne dopada kod ovog ciklusa?
Evo i moja dva rekreativna centa... Decu i Test cyp bi makar na pola ciklusa zamjenio sa Test P. i Tren A, u nastavku razigrao sa masteronom, oralnim winsom.... Zadnjih 4 nedjelje ubacio halotestin... Kroz ciklus GH+Clen+T3... Recimo nesto tako, a sigurno da moze i bolje, pogotovo moze bolje onaj ko ima iskustva sa takmicarskim pripremama pa zna sta mu najbolje odgovara.
Takodje, zanima me jeli neko od vas imao priliku da bude na oko 2 grama hemije nedjeljno u nekom duzem vremenskom periodu, posto iz vasih komentara ovo gore dijeluje kao boranija? Ne tvrdim da bilo ko uzima vise ili manje od ovoga nego pitam informativno, da vidimo vasa iskustva.
Pozdrav
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nama sanse da neko ko ovako izgleda koristi ovakav izbor hemije i doze...cu,cipionat i deka na 2 nedelje od takmicenja...ovo sto je big vlad napisao je otprilike to sto se u tom periodu koristi u fazi priprema,to nisam izmislio ni ja ni princ al ovo bas... doze da i ne komentarisemo,mada je to najdiskutabilniji deo cele price...
sto bi rekao kralj,znam puno nasih dobrih bb koji koriste puno vise od svega ovoga a nisu ni sampioni drzave nikada bili...
neke bitne stvari su izostavljene u celom ovom staku bez kojih ne bi dobio ulaznicu ni da gleda takmicenje a ne da pobedi na nekom od njih.
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ivane...samo nemoj da pogresis...hehheehhehheheh
enivej..
verovato i naravno da je ovo samo jedan od onih interwieva..kazem namerno OD ONIH..
ali,neznam cemu i zasto rekacije tipa..ovo ili ono..
kazem ja isto da je cika tomo verovatno ovo rekao u trenucima slabosti..heheheh..ali zasto reci..ma nema sanse da se spremao sa decom i cypi do takmicenja??
cemu to??..
ja znam mnoge nase momke koji su izlazili na takmicenje an deci...znam licno i da jedan od ovogodisnjih top 3 on european je izasao na deci tj bio sve do 2 weeks out...znam isto da ovo sto je vlad ove napisao..mnogi TOP DOGSI u nasoj okolini pojma nemaju...sve ja to znam...ali ti momci izlazi extra dobri i spremni na takmicenja..
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Mogu da vas ubedim da se Takmicar moze spremati do samih 2 nedelje pre Takm. sa depo deku methan itd... i na kraj ima cake kako se voda izbacuje od ispod koze i bude na bini max pun a odran!! Ali otom potom!!! Naravno da ovde Forumase odma se ismejavaju o takve izjave itd... Prvo sebe pogledati,iskustvo svoje pa posle dsavati komentare o BB-ere svetske klase!!
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pa da, evo ja pogledo sebe i svoja iskustva i iskustva nekih svojih poznanika i iskustva od poznanika poznanika, neki dobrih takmicara, nekih losih takmicara itd itd ...
ne ismeva ga niko, nego jednostavo pricha mu ne pije vodu. ovo mi vise lici ciklus nekog naprednijeg rekeativca ili amaterskog takmicara. uobicajeni 'forumski ciklusi'
kako to neko da se onako polupa i jedva ziv ostane od 300mg kofeina, 4 ampule testa, 2 deke i No weird compounds ?? ok,mozda je on neki super responder bio do 2001 i sve je bilo ok. a onda je sledece godine pocho sa opakim igrarijama, mega dozama svega i svacega i bi shta bi ...
btw
To hell and back … now what? In 2003, Tom Prince's life nearly ended. This is his story
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_11_21/ai_111506233/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1