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Bodybuilding News & Discussion => X3M HeadQuarters => Temu započeo: thor Maj 21, 2007, 08:18:12 posle podne
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Dosta mu je da bude zastupljen od gospodina Chicerillo i od Sawn Ray-a, i trazi da netko drugi predstavlja bodybuildere
I had about enough of Bob and Shawn Rays tactic and my next move is to write a formal letter to the IFBB in regards to the bashing and intimidation of fellow IFBB athletes. Bob you do not speak for me nor do you hiold any weight with me as of now. I am also going to ask that you be removed of this so called rep position. I for one saw and talked to Silvio at the NY. And i must saay you guys scared him and messed up his mental state for the pre judging. I also read Shawns text messages to Silvio stating that he could not help him with Wieder now. This bashing of other athletes has gone too far and it is going to stop I call IFBB pros to read this and make a statement regarding this issue. If this is deleting I will repost it.
Misko je licno preuzeo temu na njegovome forumu i zanima ga kako je misljenje ostalih.
Melvin je prekjucer imao vise razmijena misljenja sa Bobom, a Misko je napisao da je strasno da profi sportisti u IFBB ne mogu doci na takmicenja jer nemaju financiskih sredstava za dolazak.
Bob opovrgava sve i kaze da je Shawn dobrovoljno napustio tu poziciju i on je izabran.
Nakon toga Silvio napusta team Milos pod cudnim izgovorom, Well there some pics posted on the boards that were not taken by AMI. So BOB and Shawn talked to Silvio before prejudging and said he was going to possibly lose his contract. He was devastated myself and milos had to get his morale up to go out there and do battle. Then onstage as the awards were passed out Shawn told Silvio if he was with who he was supposed to be with he would have placed higher. At dinner after the show me and Silvio prdered pizza in the restaurant and Shawn text Silvio saying he could not help him with the contract. Now after Milos paid for a place to stay when he got to fullerton let him stay at his house for 6weeks helped with his contract etc etc BOB and Shawn talked him into not going to Milos Seminar. These kind of antics should not be presented by a Rep even though Bob aint my Rep. IFBB athletes should respected and supprted not bullied. That is why I am asking for him to be removed from this so called position.
evo odgovora od Silvia
WELL, ITS A SAD NEWS, THAT I AM NOT IN TEAM MILOS ANYMORE. A LOT HAD BEEN WITTEN AND SPOKEN, BUT I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO PLEASE SEE ME AS AN ATLETE, AND NOT AN OBJECT MATTER BETWEEN THE BIG PROS LONGTIME MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
IF THIS IS TURE AS MILOS PUTS ON THIS BOARD, I REALLY WISH FROM MY SINCERE MINE TO THANKS HIM ( MILOS ) FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO ME SINCE I MET YOU, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION TO MY WELL BEING, THOUGH MUCH HAD BEEN SAID, BUT SO LITTLE HAD BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT I WILL NOT GO ABOUT TO GIVE MORE DETAIL ON ANY ISSUES ABOUT THIS, BUT IT JUST THAT YOU ARE REALLY A GREAT TRAINER, FULL OF KNOWLEAGE ON THIS GAME, BUT WE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS AS TO OUR WAYS OF LIFE AND UDERSTANDINGS.
TO ALL MY FANS, I HAVE LEARN HOW TO DIE WHILE SLEEPING, AND I DO LEARN MY LESSONS, I CAME A LONG WAY IN MY 6 YEARS CAREER IN BBING UNTILL NOW, IF I DID GO TO TRAINED WITH MILOS, AND HE DID ACCEPTED ME, IT´S BECAUSE HE DID SEE THE POTENCIAL IN ME, AND IF ALL THE RESULT TILL NOW DID GO WELL, IT´S BECAUSE I TURN MYSELF AS A MACINE AND WORKS FOR THE GLORY OF BOTH OUR SUCCESS. SO AS LONG AS THE MACINE LIVES, I WILL GO AHEAD AND WORK WITH WHICH EVER TRAIER TO ACHIVED MY SET GOLD IN BODYBUILDING FROM NOW ON.
THANK YOU MILOS ONCE AGAIN AND GOD BLESSED WE ALL AND GIVE US THE PEACE AND UDERSTANDING.
S.S."
a citava prica izmedu miska i shawna se nastavlja
Quote from: Shawn Ray on May 19, 2007, 10:42:09 AM
Again, Moron..... Bob's right, you can't read!
No Camera, No Picture.
No Picture, No issue.
"YOU" Posted them on the Internet in Breach of Silvios Contract without his knowledge!
Remember, you "PROMISED" Silvio you wouldn't be taking photographs of him then posting them on the Internet?
That promise lasted about 5 minutes, as you left his room and RAN to your computer and proceeded to break your promise to him.
I'm certainly not surprised and sadly,now Silvio is not either.
Your a Clown, know wonder Gustavo, Mustafa and the rest of the guys you work with have nothing to do with you.
Heck you even ran Hidetada back to Japan with your "Special Concoctions" you were giving him scared to death for his health.
Nice job, keep up the great work of building and breaking your personal relationships.
Hail Milos, the King of GET BIG!
This sugject matter is dead. You cant explain away your lies, they only come full circle pointing in one direction...........You and YOUR CAMERA & Computer!
Calling me a Moron you child molester?
Poor Shawnster - all you can say: "Bob is right...and than start with your usual wishful thinking..."
I even scared Hide back to Japan with my "Special Concoctions"...who is now organizing seminar for me and flying my whole family to share the special moments when I close the major deal with Japanese distributor for "Special Concoctions" .
As far as the rest - Silvio is now in your hands - as he definitely deserves you...I have nothing more to say about that...
I got him two contracts and placing in the POSEDOWN in each of the four shows he hes entered this year...I showed him things you would have NO CLUE ABOUT...and I am happy to report "upstairs" with full report - that I did everything I could/should and than some...
Too bad he was weak enough to fall for your trap...but as he did - it is certainly not my problem anymore...
And as far as "I can't explain my lies" YOU ARE SURE RIGHT...I can't explain something that never happened.
I DON'T LIE...I don't need to...want to...or have to...
How about you "teenage girl scout"?
Ohio agents came for questioning yet?
Can you give me your address so I can tell them where to go?
And make sure your alibi Brian has his story straight...After all he was with you ALL DAY...EVERY DAY...AND ALL NIGHT... EVERY NIGHT...wasn't he?
Shawn je navodno imao nesto sa jednom 17-godisnjakinjom, a to je u njegovom okrugu kaznjivo
netko je potom napisao da nije u redu ga (Shawna ) tako nazvati na sta ce milos:
Quote from: sgt. d on Today at 12:37:27 AM
Falsely calling someone a child molester is not funny at all.
Falsely you say?
Difference between me and Shawn is exactly in that: ONE OF US SPEAKS TRUTH...and that one is NOT Shawn...Sadly for our born-again he will have some explaining to do VERY, VERY SOON...
In the mean time I will gladly deal with all of his "charges"...
After all - he's been saying things for years...and I am obviously dealing with it...
Let's see how he handles his charge...
tu se nesto jako desava.... spremite se za nastavak
osim toga misko je odrzao i seminar koji je bio jako dobro posjecen, i evo na kraju i par slika
pozz
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slike sa seminara
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8)
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neizostavni dennis james 8) :shock:
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Ovaj Armin polako postaje čudovište...
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Shawna treba (http://yelims5.free.fr/Violence/Violence03.gif)
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diskusija se valjda odvija ovde,
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=149104.0
link sam našao ovde
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=8282.0
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Son Rej je jedno vreme imao nadimak "motorna usta".On je neosporno jedan od najuspesnijih bildera svih vremena,i zaista neznam kako je sebi dopustio da se ovako kompromituje.Nepristrasno,mislim da to vide mnogi,i mislim da ce se tek videti.
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I kako se sve ovo završilo, jer neko ispratio ?
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Son Rej je jedno vreme imao nadimak "motorna usta".On je neosporno jedan od najuspesnijih bildera svih vremena,i zaista neznam kako je sebi dopustio da se ovako kompromituje.Nepristrasno,mislim da to vide mnogi,i mislim da ce se tek videti.
..JA SHWANA LICNO GOTIVIM KAO NEKOGA KO JE IMAO TJ IMA JEDNO OD NAJBOLJIH TELA U CIRKUSU...
ALI TA JE SMRAD......UFFFFFFFFF......BOLJE TO DA I NEZNAS BURAZ VERUJ MI..
NA NASEM SPRKSOM BI SE REKLO...P....A
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Ma da,uvek je imao za nekoga nesto negativno.Mene je nervirao kada je napadao Doriana u ono vreme.Sad ga je bas preterao.
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I kako se sve ovo završilo, jer neko ispratio ?
nije jos gotovo stari, u subotu se srecu misko i bob,
javiti cu ti sta je bilo
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silvio i prijatelj :?
jasno u kome je timu sada, neka mu bude, vidjeti cemo sta ce da napravi
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pravo prijateljstvo 8) :lol:
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ne bi se cudio da je pojeo tu bebu
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Dobra je ova poslednja slika :twisted: 'prijateljstvo' :evil:
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namamio ga je nitro tech barsima
Ja neznam kako Shawn nema postovanja prema drugim,mislim nazvati nekoga moronom...bas je sisa
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Dobra je ova poslednja slika :twisted: 'prijateljstvo' :evil:
..money talk....to je amerika
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Harry the Hat from mm.com
A photoshoot to me is the taking of photos for the financial benefit of either of the participants or a third party. In other words, if the photos are taken for the purposes of generating income then it's a photoshoot. There are also formal indentifiers of a professional photoshoot, such as release forms (don't know what you call them in the States), allowing the photographer usage of the images for a defined period of time and in defined media.
Take for example Tre and Gene, who Mike mentioned earlier. They may or may not pay their models, but if the photos are to be used in their members' sections, then they are part of the fresh material each month that members pay for, and material that will keep the members paying the following month.
Any set of images that requires people to buy into something - magazines, members sites, etc - to view them are de facto photoshoots and can be seen as contravening any other deals of exclusivity an athlete may have.
In this instance - I'm not totally up to speed on this case, so someone correct me where I'm wrong - this was an amateur photographer, not using a professional lighting rig, taking images that were placed in a free-to-access medium. It doesn't seem in any shape or form to constitute a 'photoshoot' as I'd understand it.
The only other question is - if no monies exchanged hands for the actual shoot and no one derived financial benefit from the usage of the shots - did the images cause financial loss to the party holding an exclusivity agreement with Silvio?
This is where the waters get very muddy. Will these shots cause a loss of sales for a print magazine or loss of subscriptions for a members' site? Both highly doubtful. Will they (I assume Silvio is an AMI athlete) cause a drop in traffic to the Flex site that would be detrimental to Flex Online's ability to attract and keep online advertisers? Also very unlikely. If anyone can prove that these shots created income for someone or deprived someone else of income, they're doing well.
The thing is, if we're here to gossip and speculate - and hey this is a message board after all - I don't think the present dispute has anything to do with the shoot or Silvio. I think it's all to with Milos. It goes back to the thread about the athletes' rep job.
Milos is making his pitch for the athletes' rep job and the IFBB don't like it. They like Bob - his intelligence, his personable manner and most of all they like the fact that he's fully house-trained. He represents the IFBB point of view well and communicates it clearly. Milos would be a different prospect, at least in theory. If he got the athletes' rep job, I don't believe that Milos would be either as revolutionary or antagonistic as the noises he's currently making. Milos is smart, he understands politics and he'd work the system, act as an IFBB insider and represent the IFBB views pretty much exactly the same as Bob is doing. But to get the job - like any good politician - Milos has to stake out a different ground to his rival. And that's what he's doing. He can create a few waves along the way, stir up a few revolts - which is what the IFBB are worried about - but at the end of the day he'll play the game. And he'll do so because if the athletes' rep job is a lucrative gig for Bob, its potential for Milos is many times that. Milos can raise his own profile, raise the profile of Team Milos athletes and increase the number of athletes in Team Milos. It can be a hugely important moneyspinner for him.
Meanwhile the IFBB are starting to fight back and Silvio is the first casualty in the wider battle. The fact that Bob is involved tells you why it matters to him and the fact that Shawn apparently chose to tell/text something to the effect of 'You're in deep sh*t big guy' to Silvio while the NY Pro was actually in progress tells you (a) Shawn's a big a tool as they say he is and (b) they wanted to scare the living sh*t out of Silvio.
And it worked. Silvio has split from Team Milos (I should imagine after someone had a little whisper in his ear that it would be beneficial to his long term prospects) and Milos is on the back foot. There will be a debate this Saturday between Bob & Milos - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=150026.0 - so expect a few more blunt objects to be wielded. There'll be tears before bedtime.
znaci idemo dalje , u subotu je debata izmedu milosa i boba, javim vam se kako je ispalo , inace ovaj text je fenomenalan 8)
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Samo da podsetim,te 2003 kada se povelo pitanje ko ce biti predstavnik takmicara.Prijavio se Son Rej sa 95glasova,Wayne Demilia je rekao da je to nedovoljno jer IFBB ima registrovana 192profesionalca.Onda je on pojurio jos 2potpisa i dobio potreban broj glasova.Medjutim tada ga Craig Titus optuzuje da je njegov potpis falsifikovao i time dobio jos nekoliko takmicara.Tada je rekao da je Son neiskren i nepodoban da ih predstavlja.Tada je Son slozio slatku pricu koju su svi progutali.A Bob Chicherelo je ubedio Titusa na kraju da da svoj potpis.Znaci bilo je mutno.