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General Bodybuilding Discussion => Nutrition => Temu započeo: SSd1 Mart 09, 2006, 04:08:27 posle podne
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Poceo bih da uzimam oko 15 tak belanaca, pa me zanima, da li postoji neka mogucnost ako ih skuvam ili przim da dobijem neko trovanje, samonela ili slicno, znaci nikako ih necu jesti zive, nego najbolje kuvana.
Pozdrav
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nema pojazni!
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kratko i jasno.Ne!!!
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znaci kuvana belanca mogu da jedem kolko hocu...e super.
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samo ne ziva...
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boze...kolliko ja znam to je salmonela a ne samonela,ispravite me ako gresim....da ne bi dalje lupao gluposti,ona se najcesce prenosi mesom moze i nekom zatrovanom hranom koja nije dobro skuvana ali je jako retka.dovodi do stalne dijareje dehidriranja i grceva u stomaku visoke temperature.nikad jos ne cuh od belanca da se dobija al ajde.
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salmonela se dobija od nedovoljno termicki obradjenih jaja a ne iz mesa ti si mislila na nesto drugo
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boze...kolliko ja znam to je salmonela a ne samonela,ispravite me ako gresim....da ne bi dalje lupao gluposti,ona se najcesce prenosi mesom moze i nekom zatrovanom hranom koja nije dobro skuvana ali je jako retka.dovodi do stalne dijareje dehidriranja i grceva u stomaku visoke temperature.nikad jos ne cuh od belanca da se dobija al ajde.
...larra ti si verovatno mislila na TRIHINOZU....i to sto si napsila o njoj je tacno..
salomenla se dobija tj mozes da je kupis :twisted: kada pijes sveza jaja ili ih konzumiras nedovoljno termicki obradjena..
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najcesce trovanje salmonelom kod nas je na rodjendanima i drugim vrstama proslava jer se masovno konzumiraju torte i kolaci , a znamo da svaki recept za ove slatkise pocinje sa : " Umutis 6-7 jaja...."
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u pravu ste za jaja ali moze i bilo kjom hranom koja je zarazena,moj drug je preko pljeskavice dobio.simptomi su isti koje sam navela stoj u textu....
Salmonella infection is caused by the toxin of an intestinal bacteria that lives in animals and humans. It is most commonly caused by eating improperly prepared or stored foods. It is not the bacteria itself, but byproducts (toxins) of the bacteria that cause illness. Anything that is contaminated with these bacteria and is not heated to destroy the toxins before being eaten, may cause illness. Symptoms begin within one to three days. They include abdominal pains, diarrhea, fever and sometimes vomiting. The very young and the elderly can become very ill with this infection.
Modes of transmission include:
* raw or unpasteurized milk and milk products,
* undercooked or raw chicken and eggs,
* food prepared in an unsanitary manner, and
* contact with infected pets such as turtles and lizards.
Salmonella can be avoided in these ways:
* Wash your hands before preparing foods, before eating, after using the bathroom or changing diapers, and after handling pets.
* Refrigerate foods soon after purchase. Check "pull" dates, and dispose of any outdated food.
* Consume only pasteurized milk products.
* Clean all food preparation areas with a dilute solution of bleach and water, then rinse, before and after food preparation.
Check with your healthcare provider about eating advice before you travel to less developed areas. Treatment includes fluids, rest and antibiotics
Vertical transmission (transmission of the bacteria to and egg) can occur, subsequently chicks hatch and spread salmonella by direct contact. The embryo may die if bacteria levels become to high.
The disease has a greater chance of spreading in overcrowded conditions, stale air environments, nest-boxes, and brooders. Pet shops, bird marts, and quarantine stations are also high risk areas.
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Symptoms: General symptoms of Salmonella include lethargy, anorexia, and diarrhea. In chronic cases, arthritis (particularly in pigeons) may be present. With high dose infections excessive thirst, conjunctivitis along with indications of liver, spleen, kidney or heart damage can occur.
Some individual avian species have unique clinical symptoms. Outbreaks in lories (Loriidae) are associated with an acute disease and high flock mortality. African Grey Parrots are also very susceptible, but they develop a more chronic disease showing symptoms such as mucus discharge from the beak/nasal area, arthritis, excessive thirst, and dermatitis. Droppings are colored a sulphur yellowish green which is very much a diagnostic sign for this microorganism.
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Prevention: Proper hygiene is the best way to prevent outbreaks of Salmonella. Effective control of flies, rodents and other vermin are also essential eliminate in preventing Salmonella outbreaks. Strains of Salmonella present in companion birds are generally not considered to be of any danger to a healthy human being. They may however, threaten infants, the elderly, or those with immunosuppressive diseases. Humans carrying Salmonella can infect their companion birds. Such human-to-animal interactions have been shown to occur, especially with African Greys, Amazons, Cockatoos and Macaws.
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Treatment: Treatment of salmonella infections are more successful if the precise species is first determined. Once the particular species of salmonella has been identified, the appropriate antibiotic can be administered. The frequently found Salmonella strains are sensitive to many commonly available antibiotics, but strains from free ranging birds have varying degrees of resistance.
ANTIBIOTICS:
Kanamycin: Dosage: .01 mgl to one gram of body weight intramuscularly twice daily.
Gentamycin: Dosage: .01 mg to one gram of body weight intramuscularly once daily or 25 mg. to 120 ml of drinking water orally.
Trimethoprim/Sulfamethoxazole Suspension: Dosage .002 ml to one gram of body weight orally twice daily.
Sodium Sulfachiorpridazine Powder: Dosage ¼ tsp to 120 ml drinking water
ANTIDIARRHEALS:
Pepto Bismol: Coats the intestinal tract. Helps to form a firmer stool. Dosage 2-3 drops in the mouth, 3 times daily.
Kaopectate: Daolin and pectin coat the intestinal tract and form a firmer stool. Dosage 3 drops in the mouth 3 times daily.
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Ja ne volim kuvana belanca, a i kad ih kuvash , postoji ta varijanta da ih prekuvash.. to mi je bezveze... ja belanca iskljucivo ziva jedem.. pa sad.. sta mi bog da.. iskreno, ne plasim se... mozda bi trebalo, ali neplasim se..
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Salmonele sintetisu endotoksin, koji se nalazi u spoljasnjoj membrani celijskog zida. Zivotne namirnice animalnog porekla predstavljaju narocito pogodnu sredinu za razmnozavanje salmonela.
Salmonele se mogu nalaziti i na ljusci jajeta, i cim se pojave povoljni uslovi (povisena temperatura, relativna vlaznost vazduha) vec za nekoliko dana salmonele prodru u unutrasnjost jajeta. Na takav nacin dolazi do kontaminacije jaja.
Zbog toga obavezno termicki obradi namirnicu, i tako neces imati nikakvih problema.
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Bilo je vec govora o zivim bjelancima.. Kekka, i ja ih ziva jedem.. ne bih da proturijecim pedjosu i iskusnijim istina je to za salmonelu nema tu price.. ali ipak sam dosao do podatka da je jedno jaje od 300 000 zarazeno salmonelom.. znaci veoma je mala vjerovatnoca da ces je dobiti.. ali eto moze se i to desiti pa je bolje kuhati.. ali jebi ga ja ih ne kuham :)
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pa kada igras ruski rulet isto je verovatnoca 1-7 ovisno koliko u bure moze da stane metaka da se neces ubiti ali nekoga mora da prasne.....
gle...ovo je sustina....DALI JE VEROVATNO DA CES DA DOBIJES SALMONELU OD SVEZEG JAJTE....NARAVNO DA JE VISE VEROVATNO NEGO DA NIJE...
ko god hoce neka se okusava sa srecom...nije da se salmonela ne moze izleciti ali cemu zajebanicja sa celom pricom....
meni nikako nije jasno,ako ja mogu da dnevno se zajebavam sa 40 jaja,kako vi emate vremena ili ste toliko lenji da ne mozete da se uradite 5-6 jaja
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Iovako oskudevam sa proteinima, samo mi fali josh da prekuvam belance, i da upropastim protein ! Dnevno imam 1 proteinski obrok, kad sam pri novcu, onda 2 , i samo mi fali josh na tu bedu , da upropastim to ! E jebiga ! :D
Shto je mnogo , mnogo je ! :D
Pedja, kako se oseca prdez od 40 jaja dnevno ? :D :D :D
Jel to PRDEZ ILI LAVEZ ??? :D :D :D
Ja bi voleo da mogu da jedem 40 jaja dnevno.. pa makar neimao ni druga ni devojku zbog LAVEZA ! :D
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Iovako oskudevam sa proteinima, samo mi fali josh da prekuvam belance, i da upropastim protein ! Dnevno imam 1 proteinski obrok, kad sam pri novcu, onda 2 , i samo mi fali josh na tu bedu , da upropastim to ! E jebiga ! :D
Shto je mnogo , mnogo je ! :D
Pedja, kako se oseca prdez od 40 jaja dnevno ? :D :D :D
Jel to PRDEZ ILI LAVEZ ??? :D :D :D
Ja bi voleo da mogu da jedem 40 jaja dnevno.. pa makar neimao ni druga ni devojku zbog LAVEZA ! :D
....ma ko kaze da se upropastava protein termicokom obradom..pa onda jedite zivo meso kao lavovi jebiga....ma daj.!!!!
sto se tice gasova...A NEEEEEEE...TO SU PROTEINSKI GOLUBOVI.....
i veruj da nemam kada da sibam...meni to organizam sve preradi tako da.............neznam....nemam gasove..samo kada se spremam za takmcinje pa kada se punim......pa to je katatrfoa...
i jos kada se nadjemo recimo nas 3 u hotleskoj sobi tu noc pred zilazak na binu.....majkoooooo..moja......pa ja mislim da sobracia ujutro kada udje proklinje dan kada se rodila...hahahhahahhahhaahha....
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Termickom obradom ne moze da se unishti protein ???
Procitao sam na 5 mesta da moze.. gledao sam i neku emisiju na tv-u gde su rekli da moze... u x-fitnesu mi se cini da sam procitao neki tekst gde su rekli da moze da se unishti..
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Termickom obradom ne moze da se unishti protein ???
Procitao sam na 5 mesta da moze.. gledao sam i neku emisiju na tv-u gde su rekli da moze... u x-fitnesu mi se cini da sam procitao neki tekst gde su rekli da moze da se unishti..
...pa brate ako na 40 grama proteina unsitis 1 -2 gr proteina jel to vredno nekog rizika???...veruj da nije...
mozda sam ja pogresio kada sam rekao da se tremickom obradiom ne moze da se unsiti protein..moze...ali to je toiko smesno da veruj da ne vredi rizika....
pa covece samo malo ukljuci se..pa jel mislis da svi jedu sirova jaja isorvo meso da bi uneli 13 gr ptoeina vise???
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Kolko ja znam prdi se od zumanca, a ne od belanca.
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Kokoske uglavno prenose salmonelu,preko jaja.Naravno salmonela je prenosiva i preko mesa i preradjenih mesnih proizvoda.
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Sta mislite o prepelicinim jajima. Imaju da se kupe u maksiju, mala su i preporucuje se tri komada dnevno presna da se piju. Ja to cesto kupujem i pijem. Jel pije to neko?
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Imas temu.Potrazi malo!!!