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General Bodybuilding Discussion => Trening sa tegovima => Temu započeo: Vladar Novembar 25, 2006, 01:02:25 pre podne
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Ovo sto sam postavio nije nikakvo odvracanje ljudi od cucnjeva sa slobodnim opterecenjem, vec samo i iskljucivo jedno lose iskustvo, koje bi svima trebalo da posluzi kao primjer i upozorenje da dobro obrate paznju na formu, sigurnost prilikom izvodjenja ove svakako korisne i efikasne vjezbe koja je takva samo kada se primjenjuje na adekvatan i pravilan nacin...
Prenosim i text iz Flexa u originalu, bez prevoda, sto mi nadam se necete zamjeriti...
Fallen warrior: Jean-Pierre Fux suffers a devastating injury…but he'll be back!
Flex, August, 2002 by Peter McGough
At 11:22 AM on Thursday, May 2, all was right with the world of Jean-Pierre Fux. At 280 hard pounds, he was in his best shape in years and relishing the prospect of qualifying for the Mr. 0 at the Night Of Champions 16 days hence. At 11:23 on Thursday, May 2, Jean-Pierre's dreams lay in ruins as he lay prostrate on the floor at Gold's Gym, Fullerton, California, immobilized.
In the midst of doing 675-pound squats at a FLEX photo shoot with Chris Lund, he had suddenly collapsed and crashed to the gym floor.
Here's how Jean-Pierre remembers the accident. "We'd worked up to seven plates on each side. That weight is not a problem for me -- I had done the same thing a week earlier for my training video. I began to squat down and everything was fine. Then in a split second, I went from complete comfort to collapse. My knees just went -- I crashed down so quickly the spotters didn't have time to react. Afterward, they felt bad about it, but it was so quick, nobody could have caught the weight."
Jean-Pierre crashed to his knees and swayed back slightly before the weight was lifted from him. As the 675-pound load was released, he remembered something he'd once been told: To reduce tendon damage following such an injury, the legs should be kept straight. With that in mind, he somehow straightened his legs out on the floor, as Lund and his assistants rushed to his sides and started applying ice to both knees.
As they waited for the paramedics, Jean-Pierre said he was initially "not in a great deal of pain" and was unsure of the extent of his injuries. After a few minutes, the right knee swelled up alarmingly; next, the excruciating pain began. However, the thought uppermost in Jean-Pierre's mind was not the pain, but that "all those months of contest training and dieting have now gone for nothing."
Despite his own trauma, he could see that the accident had affected Lund, and he attempted to buoy up the lensman's spirits by quipping, "Well, Chris, it looks like 1,000-pound leg presses are out of the question."
Recalling the incident, Lund says, "Despite the pain and agony he was in, he managed a joke -- that's a man for you. A lot of the pros would have been bawling their heads off, but Jean-Pierre just gritted his teeth. I've spoken to him regularly since the injury and not once has he vented any thoughts of feeling sorry for himself. He's a remarkable guy."
The paramedics duly arrived and ferried Fux to a local hospital; he was later transferred to Eisenhower Medical Center in Rancho Mirage, nearer his Palm Springs home. The diagnosis was torn vastus medialis of the left thigh and torn patella ligaments of the right leg. At 3 PM on Friday, May 3, he underwent four hours of surgery to repair the damage. He was told the surgery went as well as could be expected. His doctor told him he was confident the left quadriceps would recover fully, but cautioned that it was too soon to say whether the same would be true for the damaged patella. Jean-Pierre remained hospitalized for two weeks and returned to his Palm Springs home on Monday, May 20.
During his time in the hospital, and despite being in a wheelchair with his legs kept straight, Jean-Pierre visited the gym every day "to do some upper-body work." At home, he continues the practice. He asserts, "I have to go to the gym. It's who I am. Physically I need the feel of the weight, and mentally I have to make the statement that I'm a bodybuilder." He trains for about 20 or 30 minutes daily, and can get out of his wheelchair and shuffle around on crutches, although, he says, 'After half an hour, my knees begin to swell slightly and I have to get back in the wheelchair."
As of late May, the prognosis is that Fux will commence therapy to start bending his knees by late June. If all goes well, by early August, he will be able to drive his car and become more independent. He is uncertain when he will return to the competitive stage; he only knows he will. To us, he displays the soul of a warrior.
"While I waited for the paramedics," says Fux, "a lot of things went through my mind. Had I had a great pro career and won a bunch of titles, then maybe retirement would have seemed the way to go. But my career has been one of disappointment. My fault -- I never got things together the way I should have. Even at the 1997 Mr. Olympia [where he finished seventh and was hailed as a future Mr. O], I had been sick for a few days and lost size. Last year, two weeks out from the Night Of Champions, I was in great shape, then screwed it up by losing 15 pounds trying to be harder. For my own peace of mind, I have to go onstage just once looking like the Jean-Pierre I know I can be. I need to do that before I retire. I'm still only 33. Ronnie and other guys in the top five [at the Olympia] are a lot older. I have the time."
He pauses, before concluding softly, "Lying on a gym floor was no way to retire. I thought, I can't go out like this, I have unfinished business."
RELATED ARTICLE: WARNING: Do not attempt to use this amount of weight yourself. Jean-Pierre is an experienced professional bodybuilder, who is aided by spotters, wraps and a lifting belt, and he uses a weight he is accustomed to. Always use caution when weight training. And when you're doing squats, spotters and a training belt are essential. However, Jean-Pierre's experience illustrates that even when taking every precaution, accidents can still happen. So always lift within your ability, and seek professional guidance when you perform exercises or use equipment for the first time.
WHY WE PRINTED THESE PHOTOS
When the accompanying photographs of Jean-Pierre Fux's training accident arrived on my desk, I hesitated to use them in the magazine. Although we wanted to tell Jean-Pierre's story, we didn't want to exploit this devastating incident, which happened to occur in front of FLEX photographer Chris Lund and his camera. It was Jean-Pierre himself who urged us to reconsider and publish the photos, both as a record of his injury and as an explicit cautionary lesson to others. We will continue to chart Jean-Pierre's progress during his rehabilitation, both to educate and inspire. We wish him the best -- he deserves it.
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U jebo te :?
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Mnogo mi je zao Jeana! On je bio zastitno lice Ultimate-a kad sam ja bio klinac i bio mi je idol.
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Vladar.
da li znas kada se dogodoio ovaj incident, spomenuti su meseci ali godina nije.
Hvala unapred
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u JBT..Jean Pierre..pa ...ovo nije nimalo lepa scena..kad god da se deslio..zelim mu brz oporavak..a ovo ne zelim nikome..
by the way ..gde je rack za cucnjeve..sa sigurnosnim delom ako teg padne???
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Vladar.
da li znas kada se dogodoio ovaj incident, spomenuti su meseci ali godina nije.
Hvala unapred
..NA PHOTOOSHOTINGU MISLIM DA JE ZA FLEX MAGAZIN..
FUX NIJE HTEO DA KORISTI ONE LAZNE TEGOVE NEGO JE TO RADIO SA PRAVOM TEZINOM KOJU VIDITE OVDE I NARAVNO BIO JE U NEKOJ OD TAKMICARKSIH FAZA KGDE SU KOSTI I LIGAMTNI PODLOZNI POVREDMA KAO NIKADA...I ETO..DESILO SE...KOLENA SU POPUSTILA..
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jebi ga, nimalo cudno, 300kg u predtakmicarskom periodu
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Uzas bas se zestoko sjebao, ali svka cast retki su oni koji nisu QUITTUJU posle teskih povreda! Svaka mu cast za nastavak posle ovoga!
Imam jedno pitanje sta moze da bude u najgorem slucaju?
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Uzas bas se zestoko sjebao, ali svka cast retki su oni koji nisu QUITTUJU posle teskih povreda! Svaka mu cast za nastavak posle ovoga!
Imam jedno pitanje sta moze da bude u najgorem slucaju?
..PA U AJGOREM SLUCAJU MOZES DA GLUMIS U JEFTINIM PORNICIMA...
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Uzas bas se zestoko sjebao, ali svka cast retki su oni koji nisu QUITTUJU posle teskih povreda! Svaka mu cast za nastavak posle ovoga!
Imam jedno pitanje sta moze da bude u najgorem slucaju?
..PA U AJGOREM SLUCAJU MOZES DA GLUMIS U JEFTINIM PORNICIMA...
hahaha vidi se da si pio heiniken! :D :D salim se! :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Vladar.
da li znas kada se dogodoio ovaj incident, spomenuti su meseci ali godina nije.
Hvala unapred
2. May 2002!
Vec dugo imam ovaj set fotki i znam za ovu pricu. Medjutim eto nisam htio da je postavim jer je prilicno bezveze koristiti ovakav slucaj da bi dokazivao bilo sto, ali eto u zadnje vrijeme mnogi dolaze i govore o tome da je cucanj majka, otac itd... sve je to ok ko reguje na to, ali isto vjerujem da ko god vidi ovo sto se desilo Jean-Pierre-u, koji je u tom trenutku bio jedan od najsnaznijih bodybuildera, i kao sto je sam izjavio u videu koji je snimao samo nedjelju dana prije ovog incidenta koristio istu ovu tezinu bez problema, razmislice o nacinu izvodjenja svojih cucnjeva, znaci svaka cast progresivno opterecenje, HW i ostale varijante, ali malo da se vise ukljuci mozak prilikom vjezbanja mnogo je bolje nego samo tovariti ploce i hraniti ego...
I da Pedja je odlicno primjetio, za razliku od fake ploca Fux je koristio prave.... ovo nije jedini slucaj da se profesionalci povrijede na snimanju, jer obicno su ta snimanja oko samih takmicenja kada im tijelo nije spremno za najvece napore, a fotografi kao i ovaj Flexa su cesto zahtijevali od njih ovakve i slicne stvari da bi snimanje bilo "efektnije"...
Covjek se oporavio i koliko sam upoznat uspio ponovo da izadje na scenu i da se potom povuce, sto je i pored nedostatka rezultata veliki uspijeh, ali eto da nije bilo ovog snimanja za Flex vjerovatno bi i njegova karijera bila duza, u proteklih 2-3 godine se stalno govori o njegovom povratku, tj.on ga najavljuje, da li ce do njega doci vidjecemo...
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Vladar.
da li znas kada se dogodoio ovaj incident, spomenuti su meseci ali godina nije.
Hvala unapred
2. May 2002!
Vec dugo imam ovaj set fotki i znam za ovu pricu. Medjutim eto nisam htio da je postavim jer je prilicno bezveze koristiti ovakav slucaj da bi dokazivao bilo sto, ali eto u zadnje vrijeme mnogi dolaze i govore o tome da je cucanj majka, otac itd... sve je to ok ko reguje na to, ali isto vjerujem da ko god vidi ovo sto se desilo Jean-Pierre-u, koji je u tom trenutku bio jedan od najsnaznijih bodybuildera, i kao sto je sam izjavio u videu koji je snimao samo nedjelju dana prije ovog incidenta koristio istu ovu tezinu bez problema, razmislice o nacinu izvodjenja svojih cucnjeva, znaci svaka cast progresivno opterecenje, HW i ostale varijante, ali malo da se vise ukljuci mozak prilikom vjezbanja mnogo je bolje nego samo tovariti ploce i hraniti ego...
I da Pedja je odlicno primjetio, za razliku od fake ploca Fux je koristio prave.... ovo nije jedini slucaj da se profesionalci povrijede na snimanju, jer obicno su ta snimanja oko samih takmicenja kada im tijelo nije spremno za najvece napore, a fotografi kao i ovaj Flexa su cesto zahtijevali od njih ovakve i slicne stvari da bi snimanje bilo "efektnije"...
Covjek se oporavio i koliko sam upoznat uspio ponovo da izadje na scenu i da se potom povuce, sto je i pored nedostatka rezultata veliki uspijeh, ali eto da nije bilo ovog snimanja za Flex vjerovatno bi i njegova karijera bila duza, u proteklih 2-3 godine se stalno govori o njegovom povratku, tj.on ga najavljuje, da li ce do njega doci vidjecemo...
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bravo.priajtelju..i samo malo osvrt..nsiam primetio za laznjake i prave....nego ovo je info iz first hand....hahahhahhah...jbg...
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Ovu temu bas i nisam morao da vidim, sad sam se smorio do jaja.. ja cucanj radim sa 40Kg al' moracu sad da razmislim da li da povecavam tezinu :(
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UFFF,gadno :( :(
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Vladar.
da li znas kada se dogodoio ovaj incident, spomenuti su meseci ali godina nije.
Hvala unapred
2. May 2002!
Hvala ti na odgovoru a pitanje sam postavio zato sto nisam bio sasvim siguran da se radi o tom takmicaru. Naime ja zivim bas u tom gradu Rancho Mirage, (ustvari to i nije grad vec bi prikladniji naziv, onako po naski, bio opstina ali izuzetno bogata), i secam se da smo komentarisali njegovu nesrecu. On je kasnije i navratio u nasu teretanu (na zalost bio sam tog dana odsutan) jer je rehabilitaciju sprovodio u centru u blizini teretane. Pricao je da uopste ne zna zasto su mu noge otkazale a lekari su naveli ,kao jedan od mogucih razloga, trenutna nesvestica zbog prestanka dotoka krvi u mozak koja je prouzrokovala sipka na ramenima.
Doduse ta bolnica ( Eisenhower Medical Center in Rancho Mirage) je jedna od najgorih ali je i jedina pa nije ni imao drugog izbora.
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jbt bas se sjebo :shock:
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Ajde nije to nista, samo vi gurajte, ovo moze da se desi i ako naletis na koru od banane :twisted: :wink:
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Da..banana je kriva za sve...ne jedite banane u teretani..
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Ma ne mogu da nadjem disk...da okacim čika Ronija kad dize dve tri tone i nije mu nista! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ma ne mogu da nadjem disk...da okacim čika Ronija kad dize dve tri tone i nije mu nista! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nadji i Ronniev komentar poslije neke od MrO prije 3-4 godine kada je govorio kako je dozivio povredu ledja prilikom rada squata... cini mi se da je i ta izjava izasla i u Yu Flexu, mozda onom sa Jayom na naslovnoj, nemam sad kod sebe jer bih ti prenio tacne podatke... Sve je to OK, svi smo gledali Ronniev 2x800lbs squat sa dizackim kombinezonom...
Ne pada mi na pamet da odvracem bilo ikog od vas od teskih cucnjeva, ali makar ako ste vidjeli sta se desilo Fuxu malo ce te ozbiljnije pristupiti toj, kao sto sam i ranije rekao efikasnoj, ali i vjezbi koju sigurno treba raditi sa maksimalnim oprezom... jer ako se povrijedi Big Ron sa nekom za njega "standardnom" tezinom, a znamo da je on najjaci BB ikada, razmislite sta se moze desiti prosjecnom vezbacu....
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STETA STO JE POBRISANA TEMA NA ZAHTEV ONOG SERONJE MARKONIJA DA LJUDI VIDE ZASTONE BI TREBALO BITI VEOMA OPREZAN PRI ODLUCI DA SE RADI HEAVY SQUATS
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... jer ako se povrijedi Big Ron sa nekom za njega "standardnom" tezinom, a znamo da je on najjaci BB ikada, razmislite sta se moze desiti prosjecnom vezbacu....
Sve to stoji! Ja sam hteo malo da oraspolozim ljude, kao i Bojan, posto vidim da su se zgranuli na sliku!
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STETA STO JE POBRISANA TEMA NA ZAHTEV ONOG SERONJE MARKONIJA DA LJUDI VIDE ZASTONE BI TREBALO BITI VEOMA OPREZAN PRI ODLUCI DA SE RADI HEAVY SQUATS
Ne razumem zbog cega je cela tema pobrisana?
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STETA STO JE POBRISANA TEMA NA ZAHTEV ONOG SERONJE MARKONIJA DA LJUDI VIDE ZASTONE BI TREBALO BITI VEOMA OPREZAN PRI ODLUCI DA SE RADI HEAVY SQUATS
Ne razumem zbog cega je cela tema pobrisana?
...PA ZATO STO JE VOJO GLUMUIO NEZNAM STA I BEZ ICIJEG PITANJA A NA MARKONIJEV ZAHTEV POBIRSAO TO..
ALI NASLO SMO REESENJE TAKO DA CE USKORO BITI SVE SREDJENO..
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STETA STO JE POBRISANA TEMA NA ZAHTEV ONOG SERONJE MARKONIJA DA LJUDI VIDE ZASTONE BI TREBALO BITI VEOMA OPREZAN PRI ODLUCI DA SE RADI HEAVY SQUATS
Ne razumem zbog cega je cela tema pobrisana?
...PA ZATO STO JE VOJO GLUMUIO NEZNAM STA I BEZ ICIJEG PITANJA A NA MARKONIJEV ZAHTEV POBIRSAO TO..
ALI NASLO SMO REESENJE TAKO DA CE USKORO BITI SVE SREDJENO..
Mislim da je bila greska da se obrise cela tema, moglo je samo da se obrisu neki postovi jer je bilo tamo dobrih saveta za pocetnike. Ako se tema moze nekako vratiti bilo bi dobro.
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Nije u redu takvo ponasanje od strane markonija, pa sasvim je normalno da se ljudi ne slazu u nekim stavovima, to nije razlog da se brise cela tema, kao sto kaze manimal ima tamo i dobrih postova
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ja sam prosle god radio sa 160kg polucucanj, moglo je tu bit belaja, par puta mi se dobro zamrachilo u glavi.
sad radim 'prknom do patosa' sa 50kg ...
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joj, juče sam probao čučanj na smithu,
odradio sam takav trening za noge da mi čuka htela da iskoči :twisted:
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To Corey,to se trazi :wink:
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joj, juče sam probao čučanj na smithu,
odradio sam takav trening za noge da mi čuka htela da iskoči :twisted:
..KADA SRETENES MARKONIJA POZDRAVI GA U MOJE IME I KAZI MU TO..